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Finally Bing Search becomes better than Google - morfizm


Feb. 9th, 2017 01:48 am Finally Bing Search becomes better than Google

Frankly, I tried Bing out of desperation, because Google results were so crappy. I was impressed that Bing could beat it.

Case 1: various queries that have "http4s" (studying examples, APIs etc). Google gives a few results with http4s, and sometimes none, and then a bunch of crap, as it replaces http4s with http. Bing gives crap but offers "did you mean http4s ...?" as a suggestion. When you click it, it replaces http4s with "+http4s" in query string, and results are very good.

Today I couldn't find anything useful again, tried Bing again, and Bing won:

Case 2: Exact query: pants over or under ski boots
*) Bing gives Best result as #1: http://snomie.com/snowboard-pants-binding-straps/
*) Google gives garbage on the entire first page.

It feels like Bing and Google are switching strategies. Google used to be great at exact word and phrase match. I remember around 2003-2007 it could give plenty results with exact phrase from the depths of the forums, while Bing had a much smaller index and focused on "common queries" and people who are stupid and mistype common words, instead of trying to interpret exact query as it was typed. I couldn't find useful stuff from forums with Bing. Bing was useful as a bookmarks replacement, to find easy common things, but Google was way more useful in research.

Now (as I personally perceive it) the trend is the opposite. Bing is becoming increasingly better for Search on forums, indexes more stuff and does less "magic" about query terms (puts more weigh on seeing exact words in the same order close together), while Google prefers "high quality sites" which are less relevant to the query, and makes it harder and harder to find what I am looking for in case of "difficult" (uncommon) searches.

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From:mrumka
Date:February 9th, 2017 10:27 am (UTC)
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Я тоже это заметил пару месяцев назад

From:morfizm
Date:February 9th, 2017 10:34 am (UTC)
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Давай попросим raindog_2 глянуть. Проблема выглядит системной. Не факт, что Гугл видит проблему на A/B тестах (т.к. большинство пользователей - новенькие, которым важны high quality easy/generic searches). С другой стороны, я помню, что Гугл изначально выехал за счёт того, что привлёк много гиков, а гики уже притащили friends and family. Интересно, что произойдёт, если Гугл начнёт терять гиков? Может ли он себе позволить их потерять?
From:archaicos
Date:February 9th, 2017 10:47 am (UTC)
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When I search something, I typically only use keywords or the bare minimum so as not to include any unrelated garbage by mistake, e.g. "git delete remote". A colleague surprised me by doing the opposite, e.g. "How do I delete a remote branch in git".

Who's right?
From:morfizm
Date:February 10th, 2017 11:17 pm (UTC)
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I think this is orthogonal to the problem I am describing. My concern is that I want to see pages with "delete remote" prioritized much higher than pages with "delete ... ... remote", even if the latter occurs on, in general, better quality sites.
From:metaller
Date:February 9th, 2017 11:36 am (UTC)
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Good to know, thanks !
From:morfizm
Date:February 10th, 2017 11:15 pm (UTC)
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yw!
From:livejournal
Date:February 9th, 2017 12:45 pm (UTC)

Новости монополизма

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User birdwatcher referenced to your post from Новости монополизма saying: [...] Пишут, что нынче бинг ищет лучше гугла: http://morfizm.livejournal.com/1087500.html [...]
From:service_picky
Date:February 9th, 2017 07:57 pm (UTC)
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Over
From:morfizm
Date:February 10th, 2017 11:15 pm (UTC)
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Over what?
From:service_picky
Date:February 11th, 2017 08:42 am (UTC)
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pants - over boots ))
From:morfizm
Date:February 11th, 2017 08:45 am (UTC)
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Oh, yep :) Yep, I figured, that's right!

Actually now I remember that I did it wrong last two times, and it caused injuries on my legs, took months to heal. This time everything was fine. I guess I also need better socks. I normally use cotton socks, and they aren't good for skiing.
From:andreyvo
Date:February 10th, 2017 08:39 pm (UTC)
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From:morfizm
Date:February 10th, 2017 11:15 pm (UTC)
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ddg results are very similar to Google results. I guess they use similar ranking approach.
From:birdwatcher
Date:February 11th, 2017 02:08 am (UTC)
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это анонимизирующий фронтэнд к гуглу
From:_m_e_
Date:February 11th, 2017 07:18 am (UTC)
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that's fucking and fucked up personification.

when I google with incognito window, I get even better answer on top in Google:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110228151929AAsS40T
I don't see it at all when I google normally.

Bing fucks it up too - I get your answer on top only in incognito window,
in regular window Bing downgrades it to seventh position for me.